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- WHAT HAVE THE LAST 10 YEARS OF SCHOOL FOOD POLICY TGHT US?FROM SCHOOL LUNCH SHAMG TO UNIVERSAL EE MEALS, FOUR EXPERTS DISCS THE CHANG THE PAST HAS BROUGHT TO THE NATN’S SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM AND HOW TO MAKE HEALTHY, NUTR FOOD ACCSIBLE TO ALL. BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSSEPTEMBER 10, 2019 READ MORE ABOUT10TH ANNIVERSARYFOOD POLICYNUTRNSCHOOL FOODRELATEDAROUND THE UNTRY, CHILDREN ARE SETTLG TO A NEW SCHOOL YEAR AND STG DOWN TO EAT BREAKFAST AND LUNCH TOGETHER. WHETHER THEY PAY FULL PRICE, A RCED PRICE, OR NO PRICE AT ALL, SCHOOL FOOD HAS BEEN A NTENT—AND RAPIDLY EVOLVG—TOPIC THAT TOUCH ON HEALTH, NUTRN, ENOMIC CLASS, SOCIAL STAT, AND MORE.TO MARK CIVIL EATS’ 10TH ANNIVERSARY, WE’RE NDUCTG A SERI OF ROUNDTABLE DISCSNS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AN EFFORT TO TAKE AN -PTH LOOK AT MANY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TOPICS WE’VE VERED SCE 2009. IN THE NVERSATN BELOW, WE VED FOUR EXPERTS TO DISCS THEIR OWN WORK ON FOOD ACCS, AS WELL AS TRENDS THE FIELD AND POTENTIAL SOLUTNS:GAY ANRSON IS PRINT OF THE SCHOOL NUTRN ASSOCIATN (SNA) AND THE CHILD NUTRN DIRECTOR AT THE BRANDON VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT SOUTH DAKOTA. JA POPPENDIECK IS A PROFSOR OF SOCLOGY AT HUNTER COLLEGE NEW YORK CY AND THE THOR OF FREE FOR ALL: FIXG SCHOOL FOOD AMERI. BETTA ELIAS SIEGEL IS A WRER AND FOOD POLICY ADVOTE; ADDN SHE IS A REGULAR CIVIL EATS RRPONNT AND THE THOR OF THE FORTHG BOOK, KID FOOD: THE CHALLENGE OF FEEDG CHILDREN A HIGHLY PROCSED WORLD. BETTI WIGGS IS THE OFFICER OF NUTRN SERVIC FOR THE HOTON INPENNT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WILY REGNIZED AS A SCHOOL FOOD HERO.THE TOPIC HAS GAED IMPORTANCE ON A NATNAL SLE, LARGELY THANKS TO THE WORK OF THE DIVIDUALS, AS WELL AS LONGTIME CHAMPNS ALICE WATERS, THROUGH HER WORK WH THE EDIBLE SCHOOLYARD AND PH FOR A STAABLE AND NUTR EE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM FOR ALL, AND “RENEGA LUNCH LADY” ANN COOPER. IN OUR WI-RANGG NVERSATN, THE PANELISTS TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFINT CHANG SCHOOL FOOD THE PAST 10 YEARS, CLUDG THE IMPACTS OF THE HEALTHY, HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT OF 2010, STUNT LUNCH BT, AS WELL AS THE MANY BARRIERS TO FEEDG KIDS HEALTHY MEALS ON A MICROSPIC BUDGET—AND WHAT SOLUTNS EXIST.CIVIL EATS’ EDOR--CHIEF, NAOMI STARKMAN, AND MANAGG EDOR, MATTHEW WHEELAND, FACILATED THE DISCSN, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN EDED FOR CLARY AND LENGTH.WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS SCHOOL FOOD, AND HOW WELL IS THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM SERVG YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY? JA POPPENDIECKJA POPPENDIECK: THE BIGGT CHANGE IS THAT ’S NOW ON THE RADAR A WAY THAT REALLY WASN’T. I THK WE N CRED MICHELLE OBAMA WH RAISG NSCNS AND AWARENS ABOUT SCHOOL FOOD. THE BAT AROUND THE NUTRN STANDARDS THE 2010 CHILD NUTRN RETHORIZATN GOT MORE PEOPLE TERTED. BUT WHAT I’M SEEG THE TERIM IS ALL KDS OF LOL AND REGNAL ACTIVI, A LOT OF ASSOCIATED WH THE NATNAL FARM TO SCHOOL NETWORK, TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE QUALY OF SCHOOL MEALS, TO TEGRATE MORE LOLLY PRODUCED AND LOLLY GROWN H FOODS.GAY ANRSON: I N HONTLY SAY WE HAVE SEEN IMPROVED NUTRNAL QUALY; I THK EVERYBODY N AGREE ON THAT. IN MY OWN SCHOOL DISTRICT [OUTSI SUX FALLS, S.D.], FERAL NUTRN STANDARDS FOR THE MOST PART HAVE BEEN A TREMENDO SUCCS FOR . STUNTS ARE GIVEN MORE OPTNS, THEY’RE SEEG H US AND VEGETABL RATHER THAN SOMETHG THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OZEN OR NNED. WE’VE SEEN LS SODIUM, FEWER LORI, WE’RE WATCHG THE FATS. AND, OF URSE, WE’RE OFFERG WHOLE GRAS WHERE WE WEREN’T REALLY DOG THAT AT ALL BEFORE. BETTI WIGGSBETTI WIGGS: IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM HAS IMPROVED TREMENDOLY. I’M GOG TO GIVE A DOUBLE SHOUT-OUT TO [MICHIGAN’S SENR SENATOR] DEBBIE STABENOW, WHO AT THE TIME OF THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT, CHAIRED THE SENATE AG COMMTEE AND MA SURE LANGUAGE AROUND FARM TO SCHOOL WAS CLUD TO SUPPORT OUR FARMERS AS WELL AS THE LOL SOURCG OF FOOD.BEE OF FARM TO SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNY ELIGIBILY PROVISN (CEP), I’VE HAD GREATER PARTICIPATN NOT ONLY FEEDG KIDS WHO ARE HUNGRY BEE OF THEIR ENOMIC REALY, BUT ALSO THOSE KIDS WHO MIGHT BE ENOMILLY PRSED AREAS BEE OF OUR ENOMY. EVEN HERE HOTON, I’VE BEEN ABLE TO FEED MORE CHILDREN WH CEP. HOTON IS 100 PERCENT CEP ELIGIBLE BEE OF HURRINE HARVEY. WE’VE BEEN PURCHASG MORE VEGETABL—THE LEAFY GREENS AND ORANG AND YELLOWS—BEE WE HAVE SALAD BARS AT 157 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. NOW, WE ARE REACHG MORE KIDS.BETTA ELIAS SIEGEL: I DON’T THK YOU N OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HEALTHY, HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT CHANGG SCHOOL FOOD THE 10 YEARS SCE WAS PASSED. TO ECHO WHAT JAN SAID, I’M ALSO VERY ENURAGED BY SO MANY LOL AND GRASSROOTS EFFORTS TO IMPROVE SCHOOL FOOD AT THE LOL LEVEL. AND, I DON’T WANT TO BE A NAYSAYER—I THK WE ARE SERVG CHILDREN WELL OM A NUTRNAL PERSPECTIVE—BUT I DO STILL HAVE NCERNS SOMETIM WHEN I WALK TO SOME SCHOOL FETERIAS AND THERE’S STILL, FOR ALL KDS OF REASONS, A HEAVY RELIANCE ON HIGHLY PROCSED FOOD. AND MANY FETERIAS THERE’S A HEAVY BIG FOOD BRAND PRENCE, THE FORM OF PYT FOOD.A LOT PENDS ON THE EXECUTN OF THE NUTRNAL STANDARDS. THANKS TO THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT, SCHOOL BREAKFAST IS SUPPOSED TO CLU WHOLE GRAS AND US DAILY. IN ONE PARTICULAR MENU—AND THIS IS NOT ANY WAY REPRENTATIVE OF SCHOOLS ACROSS THE UNTRY—THOSE STANDARDS WERE BEG SATISFIED WH A OZEN PILLSBURY STL BREAKFAST PASTRY, SWEETENED, FLAVORED RAISS THAT ARE MEANT TO TASTE LIKE SOUR PATCH KIDS [NDY], AND CHOLATE K. SO, THE BIG PICTURE, WE’RE DOG A VERY GOOD JOB, BUT I DO THK THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.POPPENDIECK: FOLLOWG UP ON WHAT BETTI SAID ABOUT CEP, I OFTEN THK OF AS A PIECE OF STEALTH LEGISLATN. ALL THE ATTENTN WAS ON THE FIGHT OVER NUTRN STANDARDS, AND MEANWHILE THIS TRANSFORMATNAL PIECE OF LEGISLATN WAS CLUD THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT. CEP ALLOWS DIVIDUAL SCHOOLS, GROUPS OF SCHOOLS, AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS WH SUBSTANTIAL NCENTRATNS OF POVERTY TO FEED ALL THEIR KIDS FOR EE, AND BE REIMBURSED ACRDG TO A FORMULA THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BREAK EVEN OR EVEN E OUT AHEAD FANCIALLY. IT NOT ONLY GETS RID OF THE STIGMA AND MAK THE MEALS FULLY AVAILABLE—SOCIALLY AND EMOTNALLY [AS WELL AS FANCIALLY]—TO THE STUNTS, BUT ALSO THAT E UP FUNDS FOR BETTER FOOD AND MORE H PREPARATN. SO, I’D JT ADD THAT CEP HAS BEEN THE OTHER REALLY BIG CHANGE THE LAST , AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THE UPG CHILD NUTRN RETHORIZATN. GAY ANRSONANRSON: I LIKED WHAT BETTA SAID ABOUT HOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PROCSED FOODS SCHOOLS. ONE THG THAT WE SCHOOL NUTRN N TO IS THE REALY SOME DISTRICTS ACROSS THE UNTRY THERE ARE LIMED ROURC FOR EQUIPMENT, LABOR, AND SKILLED WORKERS SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO RELY MORE ON HEALTHY PRE-PREPARED FOODS SO THAT WE N STILL ENSURE STUNTS ARE GETTG A BALANCED MEAL EACH DAY.AND I MENTN THAT ABOUT 51 PERCENT OF ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE 1,000 STUNTS OR LS. SO BETTI’S GOT AN AMAZG THG GOG BEE SHE’S A HUGE DISTRICT AND SHE HAS OPPORTUNI THAT ARE NOT THERE FOR OTHERS OF . I’M NOT THAT SMALL OF A DISTRICT—4,500 STUNTS—BUT SOME OF DON’T HAVE ALL THOSE ROURC THAT WE N TAP TO.WIGGS: I ALSO WANT TO WEIGH ON WHAT BETTA SAID BEE ’S TE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE TO AL WH ARE THE HIGHLY PROCSED FOODS. WE HAVE FIVE PONENTS ON THE TRAY [MEAT (OR MEAT ALTERNATIV), GRAS, VEGETABL, US, AND K]—EACH ONE THOSE PONENTS HAS A LOBBYG GROUP.IN MICHIGAN [WHICH I LEFT 2017], I DID NOT SERVE CHOLATE K. NOW, NOT EVEN THREE YEARS LATER, CHOLATE K IS BACK ON THE MENU. THE K PRODUCERS THAT STATE SAID SAL WENT DOWN 14 PERCENT BEE DETRO PUBLIC SCHOOLS DID NOT E CHOLATE K. SO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FLUENCE OF THE DTRY: ARE THEY TLY WORKG THE BT TERT OF OUR CHILDREN?I’M FDG THAT A LOT OF MY CLASS, THEY ARE TAKG OUT ALL OF THOSE ADDIV THAT WE FOUND SO PLORABLE. WHERE WE ED TO HAVE A CHICKEN PATTY, AND NOW WE HAVE A SALAD BAR. THAT’S AN OPTN FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT AS YOU GO UP THE GRA LEVELS, WE HAVE TO AL WH PETIVE FOODS BEG SOLD ELSEWHERE OUR SCHOOLS THAT DRAG OUR CTOMERS AWAY OM THAT HEALTHY MEAL WE HAVE THE FETERIA. BETTA ELIAS SIEGELSIEGEL: I PLETELY UNRSTAND WHAT YOU’RE SAYG ABOUT WHY SCHOOLS SERVE THOSE FOODS; ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I STARTED THE LUNCH TRAY—AND WAS VERY MUCH MOTIVATED BY JAN’S BOOK, FREE FOR ALL—WAS TO EXPLA TO PARENTS THE FORC THAT DRIVE THAT KD OF MEAL; THEY ARE TENSE, BIGGER THAN ANY DISTRICT, AND NOT THE “FLT” OF A PARTICULAR SCHOOL NUTRN DIRECTOR. I REALLY WANT TO ALWAYS GIVE NTEXT FOR WHY THAT KD OF MEAL MIGHT BE SERVED. AND AS BETTI MENTNED, THERE N BE PETIVE FOOD ON THE MP, THERE ARE SO MANY FORC PHG DISTRICTS THAT DIRECTN.THE NUTRNAL GUIL PASSED UNR THE OBAMA ADMISTRATN HAVE STARTED TO GET ROLLED BACK UNR THE TMP ADMISTRATN. DO YOU ANTICIPATE ROLLBACKS NTUG OR REVERSG THE G YEARS?WIGGS: WE’VE MA A MMENT HERE HOTON THAT WE’RE NOT ROLLG BACK ANYTHG AROUND THGS LIKE SODIUM OR FAT. BUT BEE OF WHERE I’M GEOGRAPHILLY LOTED, I HAVE GOT TO HAVE A WHE FLOUR BISCU; I HAVE GOT TO HAVE A FLOUR TORTILLA. WE TRIED A WHOLE GRA BISCU, AND JT DIDN’T WORK. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THGS WE’RE G USDA WAIVERS FOR, BUT WE’RE G BROWN RICE AND WHOLE GRAS AND SERVG WHOLE GRA BREADS. WE’RE NOT GOG BACKWARDS. THE MA THG I’VE BEEN TRYG TO DO HERE HOTON IS TAKE CHOLATE K OFF MY MENU, AND IS LIKE CLIMBG MOUNT EVERT BEE OF THE IMPACT OF THE DAIRY LOBBY.THE OTHER THG THAT I‘D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS LUNCH TIMG—WHEN PEOPLE START TALKG ABOUT PLATE WASTE AND THROWG AWAY FOOD. [MANY SCHOOLS DON’T ALLOW ENOUGH TIME FOR KIDS TO EAT A FULL MEAL] AND WHEN A KID ONLY HAS FIVE MUT TO EAT, THE FIRST THG HE GRABS IS CHOLATE K. THE NEXT THG HE GRABS IS THE SWEETT THG NEAR HIM, AND THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE H US AND VEGETABL. WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE TO NSIRATN HOW WE STCTURE OUR MEALS.POPPENDIECK: THE TIME KIDS HAVE FOR LUNCH IS A BIG TOPIC. WE HEAR ALL OVER THE UNTRY ABOUT CREDIBLY SHORT LUNCH HOURS, AND WE KNOW THAT ’S VASTATG TO NUTRN: THE KIDS GO FOR THE MOST FAIAR AND SWEETT THGS FIRST, AND THEY DON’T HAVE TIME TO GET TO THE VEGETABL. BUT THE CHALLENGE IS THAT SCHOOL PRCIPALS FACE IS IF YOU’VE GOT 4,000 KIDS SCHOOL, AND YOUR FETERIA SEATS 400, YOU NEED 10 LUNCH HOURS—SO YOU’RE GOG TO START EARLY AND MAKE THEM SHORT.WE NEED TO GET OVER THE IA THAT ALL THE SCHOOL MEALS HAVE TO BE NSUMED THE FETERIA. WE NEED TO BEG TO EXPERIMENT WH GRAB-AND-GO LUNCH THAT N BE NSUMED CLASSROOMS WHILE CLUBS MEET. SCHOOLS ARE NOW EXPERIMENTG WH “BREAKFAST AFTER THE BELL,” SO WE KNOW THAT ’S POSSIBLE TO NSUME FOOD CLASSROOMS WHOUT CREATG ENORMO HEALTH HAZARDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WE JT NEED MORE CREATIVE THKG.ANRSON: I DON’T LIKE THE WORD “ROLLBACKS”—I DON’T SEE AS A ROLLBACK. I LIKE THE WORD FLEXIBILY, BEE OUR SCHOOL MEALS ARE STILL HEALTHY MEALS. SPEAKG AS SNA PRINT, WE HAVE CHECKED WH OUR DISTRICTS, AND 96 PERCENT ARE SAYG THEY WILL EXCEED THE WHOLE-GRA L, SO THEY ARE NOT ROLLG BACK THGS.BUT SOME ARE STGGLG WH ISSU LIKE BETTI IS WH HER FLOUR TORTILLA. FOR ME, ’S A WHOLE-GRA EGG NOODLE MY HOMEMA CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP, WHICH [IF WE SERVED ] WOULD BREAK DOWN AND THERE’D BE NO NOODL. BUT THE OTHER PART WAS FOR PEOPLE GETTG WAIVERS [TO SERVE SOME FOODS THAT DON’T MEET THE NUTRN GUIL] SOME STAT, THEY’RE HAVG TO FILL OUT A 29-PAGE DOCUMENT, SO THEY DIDN’T EVEN BOTHER TRYG— WAS JT TOO MUCH WORK. I THK FLEXIBILY IS JT GIVG A LTLE B OF LEEWAY FOR CERTA FOODS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MET WH OVERWHELMG RISTANCE. BUT I’M NOT HEARG OF OPERATORS GOG BACK, SO I DON’T THK THIS FLEXIBILY IS HRG OUR PROGRS.WE’LL BRG THE NEWS TO YOU.GET THE WEEKLY CIVIL EATS NEWSLETTER, LIVERED TO YOUR BOX.SIGN UP TODAYSIGN UP TODAYSIEGEL: GAY, I’M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT 96 PERCENT OF OPERATORS SAY THEY WILL ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS, BUT WHEN THE STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED, YOU HAVE TAKEN THAT FLOOR AWAY. I HOPE THEY LIVE UP TO THOSE GOOD TENTNS, BUT THEY NO LONGER HAVE TO UNR THE L. AND I AM GOG TO LL THEM ROLLBACKS. WHAT THEY’VE DONE IS PUT SCHOOL NUTRN STANDARDS OUT OF ALIGNMENT WH THE SCIENCE-BASED DIETARY GUIL FOR AMERINS. THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE ALIGNED, AND NOW THEY NO LONGER ARE.THE PROCS BY WHICH THAT HAPPENED WAS QUE TROUBLG. NETY-SIX PERCENT OF THE PUBLIC MENTS ON THOSE PROPOSED ROLLBACKS WERE OPPOSED, AND NOHELS, THE USDA MOVED FORWARD WH THEM, CG THEIR PARTICULAR JTIFITNS: INCREASED WASTE AND STUNTS REJECTG FOOD, ALL OF WHICH WAS REFUTED BY THE USDA’S OWN STUDY, WHICH ME OUT SEVERAL MONTHS LATER—WHICH THE AGENCY MA NO EFFORT TO PUBLICIZE.I ABSOLUTELY UNRSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WH A PARTICULAR BISCU OR YOUR NOODL ARE JT DISTEGRATG YOUR SOUP. WE ALREADY HAD THE WAIVER PROCS PLACE SO THAT SCHOOLS ULD GET A MORE SUABLE PRODUCT. I’M SORRY WAS 29 PAG, BUT THAT STILL STRIK ME AS A FAR BETTER SOLUTN TO THAT PROBLEM THAN AN ACROSS-THE-BOARD NUTRNAL ROLLBACK THAT AFFECTS 30 LN CHILDREN EVERY SGLE DAY. WHY NOT JT FOC ON THOSE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS AND HELP THEM ON AN AD HOC BASIS?ANRSON: THERE WERE A NUMBER OF STAT THAT DIDN’T EVEN OFFER WAIVERS. I DON’T HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THAT, BUT SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS WEREN’T EVEN BEG OFFERED THAT OPTN. AND I DO HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYG WH THE LOW-SODIUM GUIL AND ALL, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE NEED A LTLE TIME SOME SUATNS TO TCH UP SO WE N GET TO THE NEXT TARGET LEVEL.SIEGEL: BUT THEY HAVE NOW BEEN LAYED BY SEVEN YEARS. AND I’M NOT YOUR SHO, GAY, BUT MANUFACTURERS HAVE KNOWN THE RCTNS WERE G SCE 2010. IT STRIK ME AS AN EXCSIVELY LONG LAY.ANRSON: EVEN SOME OF THOSE NATURALLY OCCURRG THGS, LIKE SODIUM OUR K, THAT IS WHAT HAMPERS ME OM GETTG TO THAT NEXT LEVEL; [ ORR TO MEET NUTRN GUIL] I MAY HAVE HAD TO TAKE OFF SOME OF MY NDIMENTS, AND I DON’T THK SERVG A SALAD WHOUT DRSG WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.WIGGS: WE HAVE THE ABILY TO PRODUCE SOME OF OUR OWN SALAD DRSG, WE’RE EVEN MAKG OUR OWN SEASONG PACKAG. BUT THE OTHER THG THAT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IS LORI. NO ONE’S FOCG ON HOW MUCH SUGAR WE’RE STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR FOOD. AND WE NSIR THAT A PROBLEM AS WELL. MY FEELG ABOUT THE SODIUM IS SOME OF THOSE LOW-SODIUM REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A 54-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO HAS HAD A TRIPLE BYPASS. WE DON’T FEED PEOPLE LIKE THAT EVERY DAY.I WANT THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM TO BE MORE SCRIPTIVE THAN PRCRIPTIVE. WE’VE GOT A LARGE ENOUGH BACKGROUND AND PLATFORM TO LAND ON. THE NEW FOOD SERVICE DIRECTORS G NOW, THEY DON’T SERVE SHEET K OR OTHER THGS LIKE THEY ED TO 20 YEARS AGO, BEFORE ELLEN HAAS [PRINT CLTON’S UNRSECRETARY FOR FOOD, NUTRN, AND CONSUMER SERVIC AT THE USDA] MA THAT FIRST BIG GIANT STEP TRYG TO MAKE A HEALTHY MEALS PROGRAM—I WAS AROUND THEN, AND TOOK ALMOST ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO GET TO THE HEALTHY AND HUNGER-FREE KID ACT.WHAT DO YOU SEE AS SOLUTNS TO IMPROVE SCHOOL MEALS? SIEGEL: I THK EVERY ONE OF ON THIS LL WOULD BE BEYOND THRILLED TO SEE UNIVERSAL [EE] SCHOOL MEALS. I KNOW THIS IS STILL A PIE--THE-SKY NOTN, BUT BEE OF THE CREASED PUBLIC TERT AND OUTRAGE OVER LUNCH SHAMG, I AM AT LEAST SEEG MUCH MORE PUBLIC DISCSN OF UNIVERSAL MEALS THAN I PERSONALLY HAVE OBSERVED A LONG TIME. TWO DEMOCRATIC PRINTIAL NDIDAT HAVE MENTNED AS PART OF THEIR MPAIGN PROMIS, AND I SAW THE SNA SPOKPERSON MENTN AN ARTICLE. IN OUR POLIL CLIMATE, I STILL THK ’S OUT OF REACH, BUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKG THE NNECTN BETWEEN LUNCH SHAMG AND UNIVERSAL MEALS, IS VERY ENURAGG TO ME.WIGGS: WELL, HOTON WE HAVE NO LUNCH SHAMG, BEE OF CEP. I SAW THE VASTATN THAT HURRINE HARVEY HAD—AND NOT JT ON POOR KIDS. THERE WAS NO FOOD AVAILABLE FOR WEEKS ON END BEE OF , SO HOTON ISD TOOK UPON SELF TO START OFFERG EE MEALS. AND I CHANGED THE LANGUAGE: I SAID THIS IS NOT A EE MEAL, THIS IS A MEAL AT NO CHARGE. WE NEED TO GET AWAY OM THAT “EE.”IN DETRO, I WROTE AN OP-ED THAT SAID THIS IS A VALUE PROPOSN FOR OUR UNTRY—EHER FOR NATNAL SECURY OR HEALTH—THAT WE FEED OUR CHILDREN WELL AND WE NEED TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS TEND FOR: THIS IS NOT JT A MA-FOR-POOR-KIDS PROGRAM. FEEDG ALL CHILDREN WELL IS THE BT TERT OF THIS UNTRY.POPPENDIECK: I ALSO THK THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, AND I THK OF SCHOOL FOOD AS AN SENTIAL, TEGRATED PART OF THE SCHOOL DAY. CHILDREN ARE UNR OUR RE AT SCHOOL, AND WHEN TIME FOR LUNCH, WE SHOULD FEED THEM, AND SHOULD BE TEGRATED WH TN BEE WE KNOW THAT WE ALSO NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT FOOD AND S HEALTH IMPACTS; HOW GETS TO ; AND WHO’S VOLVED PRODUCG .BUT THE THREE-TIER SYSTEM [OF FULL-PRICE, RCED-PRICE, AND EE SCHOOL LUNCH] IS ABSURD, AND THE MUNI THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT CEP ARE UNIFORM THEIR ENTHIASM FOR THE WAY ALLOWS THEM TO DO A BETTER JOB AND TO AVOID THGS LIKE LUNCH SHAMG AND TO KNOW THAT THE MEAL HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BRG PEOPLE TOGETHER. THIS SHOULD BE A POSIVE TIME THE SCHOOL DAY, NOT A TIME WHEN KIDS DISTANCE THEMSELV OM EACH OTHER ON THE BASIS OF SOCIAL CLASS.ANRSON: UNIVERSAL MEALS WOULD BE A DREAM E TE. IT WOULD BE AMAZG IF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS ULD SAY, Y STUNTS WILL HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO EAT EVERY DAY—BEE IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH TIME, THERE’S LS WASTE [AND] THEY’LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNY TO TRY SOME THGS ON THEIR TRAY.THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT UNIVERSAL MEALS WOULD HELP WH OVERALL FUNDG. SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT LOSE MONEY AND HAVE A FIC AT THE END OF THE YEAR—GUS WHERE THEIR DOLLARS E OM? IT RIGHT OUT OF THE TN FUND. SO, ’S A VIC CYCLE.MY FAVORE LE IS, “WE’RE FEEDG THE FUTURE, ONE SCHOOL MEAL AT A TIME.” I WANT TO ADD THAT CEP HAS HELPED SOME WAYS, BUT WE HAVE SEEN 2 LN FEWER STUNTS EATG SCHOOL LUNCH EVERY DAY. THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP SCE THE UPDATED NUTRN STANDARDS TOOK EFFECT, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT’S HAPPENG THERE AND HOW N WE GET THAT THOSE STUNTS BACK EATG WH . THAT’S PART OF WHY THE FLEXIBILY IS SO IMPORTANT FOR .WIGGS: IN HOTON, PARTICIPATN HAS GONE UP. ALL THE TIME WE SPENT GETTG LUNCH MONEY AND WRG LETTERS TO PARENTS [TO GET THEM TO PAY THEIR LUNCH BILLS], HAS DISAPPEARED. MY PARTICIPATN WENT UP 7 PERCENT, AND HOTON WAS ALREADY 86 PERCENT EE.SIEGEL: GAY, I ULDN’T TELL IF YOU WERE PNG THAT CLE PARTICIPATN TO CEP OR TO THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT STANDARDS, BUT SCE YOU MENTNED FLEXIBILY, I DO FEEL PELLED TO POT OUT THAT THE USDA’S VERY PREHENSIVE STUDY ACTUALLY FOUND A POSIVE RRELATN BETWEEN SCHOOL LUNCH PARTICIPATN AND HIGHER NUTRN STANDARDS. IN OTHER WORDS, DISTRICTS THAT HAD A HIGHER STANDARD THEIR FOOD ACTUALLY SAW AN CREASE PARTICIPATN. I JT WANTED TO TRY TO DISPEL THIS OFTEN-REPEATED MYTH THAT KIDS REJECT HEALTHIER FOOD, BEE THE USDA’S OWN DATA REFUTE THAT.POPPENDIECK: IF YOU LOOK BACK, HISTORILLY, YOU’LL SEE THAT THERE’S GENERALLY A SHIFT WHEN THE ENOMY IS BETTER. FEWER PEOPLE MAKE E OF THE SCHOOL FOOD OPTNS.WIGGS: THE REASON I’VE STARTED TO SERVE MEALS SCHOOLS WHERE I NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE SERVED THEM IS THE QUALY OF FOOD THAT WE’VE BEEN PUTTG ON THE TRAYS. THE SALAD BARS, SOME OF THE OFFERGS THAT WE MA AROUND TASTE, THE PARENTS ARE STARTG TO SEE THAT THIS IS A REAL VALUE. WE’RE STARTG TO MARKET OUR SERVIC JT LIKE A LIMED-SERVICE RTRANT. MY PARENTS ARE SEEG THAT, AND THAT’S THE REASON THEY PARTICIPATE EVEN IF THEY DON’T HAVE TO [OM A FANCIAL PERSPECTIVE].ANRSON: BUT YOU’RE ABLE TO DO THAT, BETTI, BEE YOU’VE GOT THE ROURC. MANY OTHERS DON’T.WIGGS: LET’S PUT THAT NTEXT. YOU HAVE 4,500 KIDS, I HAVE 206,000. THOSE DOLLARS PROPORTNALLY SHAPE WHAT I CI TO VT MEALS. MY DISTRICT JT GAVE MY EMPLOYE A [PAY RAISE OM $10 OR $12 TO] $14 AN HOUR. I HAVE TO TELL THEM I’M NOT TAKG A SALARY CREASE OUT OF THE FOOD BUDGET FOR THE KIDS. I HAVE TO SCRAMBLE AROUND AND FD OUT HOW AM I GOG TO PAY THIS $14 AN HOUR, AND THAT PUTS ME A VERY DIFFICULT SUATN. I HAVE TO BE MTED TO QUALY FOOD, BEE MY MUNY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IF I DON’T HAVE QUALY FOOD.TODAY’S FOOD SYSTEM IS PLEX.INVT NONPROF JOURNALISM THAT TELLS THE WHOLE STORY.BEE A MEMBERBEE A MEMBERWHAT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE UNIVERSAL SCHOOL LUNCH HAPPEN? POPPENDIECK: THE FIRST QUTN IS: WHO PAYS? BEE SCHOOL MEALS HAVE BEEN A FERAL PROGRAM SCE 1946, MY PROPOSN IS THAT THIS SHOULD BE A FERAL MMENT; THE FERAL ERNMENT NTRIBUT LTLE ENOUGH TO THE ST OF TN THIS UNTRY. BASED ON SOME BACK OF THE ENVELOPE LCULATNS, I THK WOULD ST ABOUT $15 BILLN DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAKE [EE] LUNCH UNIVERSAL. THAT PRUM A FAIRLY HIGH RATE OF PARTICIPATN. AND I DON’T THK THAT’S A LOT OF MONEY [GIVEN] THE VALUE THAT WOULD NTRIBUTE TERMS OF THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN AND LAYG THE PATHWAY FOR HEALTHY ADULTS.WHAT WOULD TAKE TO GET THERE IS A CHANGE ATTU ABOUT WHAT MEANS TO SERVE MEALS A PUBLIC SETTG. THE WAY WE DO NOW, WHERE WE BASILLY SELL THE MEALS, BUT THEN SOME PEOPLE GET EE—’S REALLY AN ABSURD SETUP, BUT PEOPLE THK OF AS NORMAL. I AGREE WH BETTA THAT THE LUNCH-SHAMG ISSUE HAS RAISED NSCNS, AND LED PEOPLE TO ASK, “WHAT ARE WE DOG HERE? WHY IS THIS HAPPENG?”I THK ’S REALLY DOABLE. WE’VE BEEN FIGHTG FOR FOR 30 YEARS NEW YORK CY, AND WE FALLY GOT . AND WE’RE SEEG PARTICIPATN GROW, AND GROWS MOST RAPIDLY WHEN THE UNIVERSAL MEAL IS BED WH A RENOVATN OF THE FETERIA SPACE TO A NEW SORT OF FOOD URT SYSTEM THAT THE KIDS FD ATTRACTIVE. WE’VE SEEN PARTICIPATN RISE BY 33 PERCENT HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ALSO GOT THE NEW FOOD URT SYSTEM.ANRSON: I AGREE ’S GOG TO TAKE MONEY, BUT ’S VTG OUR FUTURE. I THK THE ERNMENT N MAKE A PRRY TO CUT SOME WASTE AND PUT THE MONEY WHERE NEEDS TO GO, SO THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE WELL-FED, SO THAT THEY’RE BETTER TED. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEARS WASHGTON, D.C. S DOWN AND REALLY PUT PENCIL TO PAPER AND CUT SOME NUMBERS.WIGGS: IT WILL TAKE THE SAME KD OF MMENT OM THIS ERNMENT THAT WHENEVER WE HAD A NATNAL CRISIS LIKE WE HAD WH AIDS AND MEASL AND POL, WE CID WHAT WE WERE GOG TO VT THE BT FUTUR OF OUR CHILDREN. YOU SAY LUNCH SHAMG N RAISE AWARENS, I SAY PIERC THE GUILT. AND I’M READY TO RI THAT GUILT ALL THE WAY TO A UNIVERSAL MEAL PROGRAM. SCHOOL MEALS ARE THE STRONGT WEB OUR SOCIAL SERVICE PROGRAM; THEY N IMPACT THE LIV OF ALL CHILDREN. YOU’RE EHER GOG TO PAY FOR NOW OR YOU’RE GONNA PAY FOR LATER.SIEGEL: EVER SCE I WROTE ABOUT LUNCH SHAMG FOR THE NEW YORK TIM 2017, ’S BEEN FASCATG TO WATCH THE NSTANT TWEETS, ABOUT CHARABLE EFFORTS AND AD HOC EFFORTS TO AMELRATE LUNCH BT. THERE’S A EP NCERN ABOUT , AND LOTS OF NEWS REPORTS, BUT ALL VERY DIFFE, DISPARATE EFFORTS ALL OVER THE UNTRY. AND I’VE OFTEN THOUGHT: HOW ULD WE CHANNEL THIS EMOTN TOWARD A TE EFFORT FOR UNIVERSAL SCHOOL MEALS?I THK WE WILL NEVER GET THERE UNLS THE SCHOOL NUTRN ASSOCIATN ADVOT FOR , UNTIL BE PART OF THE SNA’S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BEE [GAY’S] ANIZATN HAS TREMENDO CLOUT ON CAPOL HILL, AND SPEAKS FOR THE LUNCH PROGRAMS AROUND THE UNTRY. I DON’T KNOW HOW WE ULD DO WHOUT THAT KD OF REALLY NCERTED EFFORT, AND I THK YOUR ANIZATN ULD HELP PROVI THAT LEARSHIP. I’D BE CUR TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.ANRSON: I FULLY BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED TO BE SPEAKG OUT ON THAT. WE ALWAYS HAVE PAPERS AND PUBLIC MENTS WE MAKE. BUT THE PAST, WE’VE MAYBE NOT BEEN AS VOL AS YOU MAY THK WE SHOULD, ONLY BEE WE KEEP SAYG THAT THE ERNMENT DON’T HAVE MONEY. BUT MAYBE WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT ON. WE’VE GOT 58,000 VOIC THAT ULD SPEAK VERY LOUD AND CLEAR, BUT WE ALSO NEED SUPPORT OM OTHER ANIZATNS TO DO .WIGGS: I’M WORKG WH THE INTERNATNAL FOOD MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATN, WHICH JT STARTED A SCHOOL FOOD ADVISORY UNCIL. WE’RE TALKG TO THE LARGE MANUFACTURERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SCHOOL FOOD. THE ARE [ALSO] THE GUYS WHO N TALK TO THE CONGRSPEOPLE AND ALL THE OTHER FOLKS WHO N SAY, “LOOK, THIS IS THE BT TERTS OF OUR BS AS WELL.”WHAT DO YOU WISH THE AVERAGE PERSON UNRSTOOD ABOUT SCHOOL FOOD? AND WHAT GIV YOU HOPE ABOUT THE FUTURE? POPPENDIECK: I KNOW THIS IS VERY SELF-SERVG, BUT I WISH THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD READ MY BOOK, FREE FOR ALL, BEE I WROTE TO EXPLA THIS PLITED SYSTEM TO NCERNED PARENTS, PTA PRINTS, WHAT HAVE YOU. I WISH THE AVERAGE PERSON UNRSTOOD MORE ABOUT THE NSTRATS THAT SCHOOL FOOD SERVICE PROVIRS AND DIRECTORS FACE, AND ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HEALTHY MEALS THE GROWTH AND VELOPMENT OF CHILDREN.WHAT GIV ME HOPE ARE THE GRASSROOTS ACTNS THAT I N TO HERE AND THERE AROUND THE UNTRY. THE NATNAL FARM TO SCHOOL NETWORK KEEPS TRACK OF STATE LEGISLATN, AND THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OR SO, THEY’VE SEEN SOMETHG LIKE 400 DIFFERENT STATE BILLS PASSED THAT MAKE EASIER FOR SCHOOLS TO PURCHASE OM LOL FARMERS.WIGGS: I WISH THEY UNRSTOOD THAT SCHOOL LUNCH IS AN SENTIAL SERVICE—’S NOT JT ABOUT FEEDG KIDS. IT’S ABOUT ASSISTG PARENTS AND LIVERG RE FOR THEIR CHILDREN THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DAY.WHAT GIV ME HOPE IS THAT WE’RE HERE, AND WE NTUE TO RAISE THE AWARENS OF THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO SUPPORT —NOT ONLY SI TN, OUR STAKEHOLRS, BUT EVEN SOME OF THE PANI OUTSI THAT ARE PROVIDG SERVIC TO SHAREHOLRS. I JT KNOW WE’RE HERE TO STAY, AND I WANT PEOPLE TO UNRSTAND THAT WE ARE A NOT-FOR-PROF, LIMED-SERVICE RTRANT THAT IS HIGHLY REGULATED AND THAT SERV THE MOST PREC PEOPLE THIS SOCIETY: CHILDREN.ANRSON: IT WOULD BE NICE IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY UNRSTOOD A DAY THE LIFE OF A CHILD NUTRN EMPLOYEE. THEY WEAR MANY HATS—THEY’RE WORKG ON EVERYTHG OM PROCUREMENT TO NUTRN, WORKG WH SPECIAL DIETS, BEG PART OF THE TN PROCS.WHAT GIV ME HOPE IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. SOMETIM THERE’S THE NEGATIVY THAT OUT, BUT WHEN YOU’VE GOT SOMETHG AT THE CENTER OF A TOPIC AND YOU NTUE TO GO FORWARD WH AND KEEP STANDG FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE , THERE IS HOPE DOG THIS WORK AND KNOWG THAT WE ALL WANT TO STRIVE TO HAVE A SCHOOL MEAL BE A HIGHLIGHT OF THE DAY, THAT KIDS KNOW IS HEALTHY AND NUTR.SIEGEL: I THK I’M ECHOG EVERYONE HERE THAT I TOO VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE THE AVERAGE PARENT AND THE AVERAGE AMERIN TO HAVE A BETTER UNRSTANDG OF THE CHALLENG THAT SCHOOL NUTRN DIRECTORS FACE, MANY OF WHICH WE ULD TAKE OFF THEIR SHOULRS IF WE CHANGED THE PROGRAM. THAT UNRSTANDG IS SENTIAL.WHAT GIV ME HOPE? HONTLY THIS NVERSATN HAS GIVEN ME HOPE, THE FACT THAT WE’RE TALKG ABOUT UNIVERSAL MEALS, THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL NUTRN ASSOCIATN MIGHT GET BEHD A MORE OVERT EFFORT TOWARD THAT GOAL. AND THE FACT THAT [THE TOPICS ARE] THE NEWS DO GIVE ME HOPE AND IS SOMETHG I HAVEN’T SEEN BEFORE.THIS TERVIEW HAS BEEN EDED FOR LENGTH AND CLARY. SCE 2009, THE CIVIL EATS EDORIAL TEAM HAS PUBLISHED AWARD-WNG AND GROUNDBREAKG NEWS AND MENTARY ABOUT THE AMERIN FOOD SYSTEM, AND WORKED TO MAKE PLITED, UNRREPORTED STORI—ON CLIMATE CHANGE, THE ENVIRONMENT, SOCIAL JTICE, ANIMAL WELFARE, POLICY, HEALTH, NUTRN, AND THE FARM BILL— MORE ACCSIBLE TO A MASTREAM DIENCE. READ MORE >LIKE THE STORY? JO THE NVERSATN. SEE 3 MENTSBRIAN SEPTEMBER 11, 2019"NO" THIS ARTICLE IS TO BIAS ON THE "PROS"AND NOT ENOUGH TTH THAT MANY SCHOOLS SEE THE WONRFUL US AND VEGETABLE PROGRAM SET UP BY THE "PAST PRINTIAL ADMISTRATN" FD 'S WAY TO THE SWILL. TRYG TO FORCE FEED STUNTS OF DIFFERENT CULTUR AND FOOD BELIEFS "ONE WAY" IS "NO" WAKE UP! WE'RE HERE TO FEED THE STUNTS A GOOD BREAKFAST AND LUNCH RELATED TO THEY PARTICULAR AREA OF RINCE. PLEASE DON'T PLITE WHAT'S GREAT TO GT AND WHAT WILL BE GTED. PARENTS ARE RPONSIBLE FOR THEY'RE CHILD'S DIET. WE AT SNA AND GOVERNMENT AREN'T. WE NEED TO QU PLAYG GOD. IF PARENTS AND STUNTS AGREE THAT THEY NEED A HEALTHIER ALTERNATIVE, SO BE , THEY N PRODUCE A MEAL SUED FOR THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND TIME! BRIAN H IAO SCHOOL, SFSM III 31 YEARS SCHOOL FOOD SERVICE MANAGER - STATE OF HAWAII DOEDAVE KECK SEPTEMBER 12, 2019DON'T YOU ALL THK THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR TO SPEND 15 BILLN ON TEACHG AND HELPG PARENTS TO WORK SO THEY N HELP THEMSELV? I THK UNIVERSAL LUNCH IS A BAD THG FOR EVERYONE. PLEASE LETS TEACH KIDS TO FISH SO THEY N EAT THE RT OF THERE LIV. INSTEAD OF GIVE THEM A FISH (FREE LUNCH) TODAY AND THEY GET FOR EE, NO ONE LEARNS TO NTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY GETTG FOR EE. JT ANOTHER DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO LOOK AT. UNIVERSAL LUNCH IS THE EASY WAY OUT.READ MORE ABOUT10TH ANNIVERSARYFOOD POLICYNUTRNSCHOOL FOODRELATEDMORE OM10TH ANNIVERSARY LOOKG BACK ON A DE OF OUR FOOD REPORTG BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSDECEMBER 23, 2019 FOOD & RACE: 10 YEARS OF CREATG A MORE JT FOOD SYSTEM BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSDECEMBER 10, 2019 EXPLORG A DE OF BIG CHANG LOL FOOD BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSNOVEMBER 19, 2019 MEAT MATTERS: 10 YEARS OF CHANG ANIMAL AGRICULTURE BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSOCTOBER 22, 2019FEATURED THE MANURE DIGTERS INRPORATE FOOD SCRAPS. DO THAT MAKE THEM BETTER?
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WHAT HAVE THE LAST 10 YEARS OF SCHOOL FOOD POLICY TGHT US?FROM SCHOOL LUNCH SHAMG TO UNIVERSAL EE MEALS, FOUR EXPERTS DISCS THE CHANG THE PAST HAS BROUGHT TO THE NATN’S SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM AND HOW TO MAKE HEALTHY, NUTR FOOD ACCSIBLE TO ALL. BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSSEPTEMBER 10, 2019 READ MORE ABOUT10TH ANNIVERSARYFOOD POLICYNUTRNSCHOOL FOODRELATEDAROUND THE UNTRY, CHILDREN ARE SETTLG TO A NEW SCHOOL YEAR AND STG DOWN TO EAT BREAKFAST AND LUNCH TOGETHER. WHETHER THEY PAY FULL PRICE, A RCED PRICE, OR NO PRICE AT ALL, SCHOOL FOOD HAS BEEN A NTENT—AND RAPIDLY EVOLVG—TOPIC THAT TOUCH ON HEALTH, NUTRN, ENOMIC CLASS, SOCIAL STAT, AND MORE.TO MARK CIVIL EATS’ 10TH ANNIVERSARY, WE’RE NDUCTG A SERI OF ROUNDTABLE DISCSNS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AN EFFORT TO TAKE AN -PTH LOOK AT MANY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TOPICS WE’VE VERED SCE 2009. IN THE NVERSATN BELOW, WE VED FOUR EXPERTS TO DISCS THEIR OWN WORK ON FOOD ACCS, AS WELL AS TRENDS THE FIELD AND POTENTIAL SOLUTNS:GAY ANRSON IS PRINT OF THE SCHOOL NUTRN ASSOCIATN (SNA) AND THE CHILD NUTRN DIRECTOR AT THE BRANDON VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT SOUTH DAKOTA. JA POPPENDIECK IS A PROFSOR OF SOCLOGY AT HUNTER COLLEGE NEW YORK CY AND THE THOR OF FREE FOR ALL: FIXG SCHOOL FOOD AMERI. BETTA ELIAS SIEGEL IS A WRER AND FOOD POLICY ADVOTE; ADDN SHE IS A REGULAR CIVIL EATS RRPONNT AND THE THOR OF THE FORTHG BOOK, KID FOOD: THE CHALLENGE OF FEEDG CHILDREN A HIGHLY PROCSED WORLD. BETTI WIGGS IS THE OFFICER OF NUTRN SERVIC FOR THE HOTON INPENNT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WILY REGNIZED AS A SCHOOL FOOD HERO.THE TOPIC HAS GAED IMPORTANCE ON A NATNAL SLE, LARGELY THANKS TO THE WORK OF THE DIVIDUALS, AS WELL AS LONGTIME CHAMPNS ALICE WATERS, THROUGH HER WORK WH THE EDIBLE SCHOOLYARD AND PH FOR A STAABLE AND NUTR EE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM FOR ALL, AND “RENEGA LUNCH LADY” ANN COOPER. IN OUR WI-RANGG NVERSATN, THE PANELISTS TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFINT CHANG SCHOOL FOOD THE PAST 10 YEARS, CLUDG THE IMPACTS OF THE HEALTHY, HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT OF 2010, STUNT LUNCH BT, AS WELL AS THE MANY BARRIERS TO FEEDG KIDS HEALTHY MEALS ON A MICROSPIC BUDGET—AND WHAT SOLUTNS EXIST.CIVIL EATS’ EDOR--CHIEF, NAOMI STARKMAN, AND MANAGG EDOR, MATTHEW WHEELAND, FACILATED THE DISCSN, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN EDED FOR CLARY AND LENGTH.WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS SCHOOL FOOD, AND HOW WELL IS THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM SERVG YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY? JA POPPENDIECKJA POPPENDIECK: THE BIGGT CHANGE IS THAT ’S NOW ON THE RADAR A WAY THAT REALLY WASN’T. I THK WE N CRED MICHELLE OBAMA WH RAISG NSCNS AND AWARENS ABOUT SCHOOL FOOD. THE BAT AROUND THE NUTRN STANDARDS THE 2010 CHILD NUTRN RETHORIZATN GOT MORE PEOPLE TERTED. BUT WHAT I’M SEEG THE TERIM IS ALL KDS OF LOL AND REGNAL ACTIVI, A LOT OF ASSOCIATED WH THE NATNAL FARM TO SCHOOL NETWORK, TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE QUALY OF SCHOOL MEALS, TO TEGRATE MORE LOLLY PRODUCED AND LOLLY GROWN H FOODS.GAY ANRSON: I N HONTLY SAY WE HAVE SEEN IMPROVED NUTRNAL QUALY; I THK EVERYBODY N AGREE ON THAT. IN MY OWN SCHOOL DISTRICT [OUTSI SUX FALLS, S.D.], FERAL NUTRN STANDARDS FOR THE MOST PART HAVE BEEN A TREMENDO SUCCS FOR . STUNTS ARE GIVEN MORE OPTNS, THEY’RE SEEG H US AND VEGETABL RATHER THAN SOMETHG THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OZEN OR NNED. WE’VE SEEN LS SODIUM, FEWER LORI, WE’RE WATCHG THE FATS. AND, OF URSE, WE’RE OFFERG WHOLE GRAS WHERE WE WEREN’T REALLY DOG THAT AT ALL BEFORE. BETTI WIGGSBETTI WIGGS: IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM HAS IMPROVED TREMENDOLY. I’M GOG TO GIVE A DOUBLE SHOUT-OUT TO [MICHIGAN’S SENR SENATOR] DEBBIE STABENOW, WHO AT THE TIME OF THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT, CHAIRED THE SENATE AG COMMTEE AND MA SURE LANGUAGE AROUND FARM TO SCHOOL WAS CLUD TO SUPPORT OUR FARMERS AS WELL AS THE LOL SOURCG OF FOOD.BEE OF FARM TO SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNY ELIGIBILY PROVISN (CEP), I’VE HAD GREATER PARTICIPATN NOT ONLY FEEDG KIDS WHO ARE HUNGRY BEE OF THEIR ENOMIC REALY, BUT ALSO THOSE KIDS WHO MIGHT BE ENOMILLY PRSED AREAS BEE OF OUR ENOMY. EVEN HERE HOTON, I’VE BEEN ABLE TO FEED MORE CHILDREN WH CEP. HOTON IS 100 PERCENT CEP ELIGIBLE BEE OF HURRINE HARVEY. WE’VE BEEN PURCHASG MORE VEGETABL—THE LEAFY GREENS AND ORANG AND YELLOWS—BEE WE HAVE SALAD BARS AT 157 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. NOW, WE ARE REACHG MORE KIDS.BETTA ELIAS SIEGEL: I DON’T THK YOU N OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HEALTHY, HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT CHANGG SCHOOL FOOD THE 10 YEARS SCE WAS PASSED. TO ECHO WHAT JAN SAID, I’M ALSO VERY ENURAGED BY SO MANY LOL AND GRASSROOTS EFFORTS TO IMPROVE SCHOOL FOOD AT THE LOL LEVEL. AND, I DON’T WANT TO BE A NAYSAYER—I THK WE ARE SERVG CHILDREN WELL OM A NUTRNAL PERSPECTIVE—BUT I DO STILL HAVE NCERNS SOMETIM WHEN I WALK TO SOME SCHOOL FETERIAS AND THERE’S STILL, FOR ALL KDS OF REASONS, A HEAVY RELIANCE ON HIGHLY PROCSED FOOD. AND MANY FETERIAS THERE’S A HEAVY BIG FOOD BRAND PRENCE, THE FORM OF PYT FOOD.A LOT PENDS ON THE EXECUTN OF THE NUTRNAL STANDARDS. THANKS TO THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT, SCHOOL BREAKFAST IS SUPPOSED TO CLU WHOLE GRAS AND US DAILY. IN ONE PARTICULAR MENU—AND THIS IS NOT ANY WAY REPRENTATIVE OF SCHOOLS ACROSS THE UNTRY—THOSE STANDARDS WERE BEG SATISFIED WH A OZEN PILLSBURY STL BREAKFAST PASTRY, SWEETENED, FLAVORED RAISS THAT ARE MEANT TO TASTE LIKE SOUR PATCH KIDS [NDY], AND CHOLATE K. SO, THE BIG PICTURE, WE’RE DOG A VERY GOOD JOB, BUT I DO THK THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.POPPENDIECK: FOLLOWG UP ON WHAT BETTI SAID ABOUT CEP, I OFTEN THK OF AS A PIECE OF STEALTH LEGISLATN. ALL THE ATTENTN WAS ON THE FIGHT OVER NUTRN STANDARDS, AND MEANWHILE THIS TRANSFORMATNAL PIECE OF LEGISLATN WAS CLUD THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT. CEP ALLOWS DIVIDUAL SCHOOLS, GROUPS OF SCHOOLS, AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS WH SUBSTANTIAL NCENTRATNS OF POVERTY TO FEED ALL THEIR KIDS FOR EE, AND BE REIMBURSED ACRDG TO A FORMULA THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BREAK EVEN OR EVEN E OUT AHEAD FANCIALLY. IT NOT ONLY GETS RID OF THE STIGMA AND MAK THE MEALS FULLY AVAILABLE—SOCIALLY AND EMOTNALLY [AS WELL AS FANCIALLY]—TO THE STUNTS, BUT ALSO THAT E UP FUNDS FOR BETTER FOOD AND MORE H PREPARATN. SO, I’D JT ADD THAT CEP HAS BEEN THE OTHER REALLY BIG CHANGE THE LAST , AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THE UPG CHILD NUTRN RETHORIZATN. GAY ANRSONANRSON: I LIKED WHAT BETTA SAID ABOUT HOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PROCSED FOODS SCHOOLS. ONE THG THAT WE SCHOOL NUTRN N TO IS THE REALY SOME DISTRICTS ACROSS THE UNTRY THERE ARE LIMED ROURC FOR EQUIPMENT, LABOR, AND SKILLED WORKERS SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO RELY MORE ON HEALTHY PRE-PREPARED FOODS SO THAT WE N STILL ENSURE STUNTS ARE GETTG A BALANCED MEAL EACH DAY.AND I MENTN THAT ABOUT 51 PERCENT OF ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE 1,000 STUNTS OR LS. SO BETTI’S GOT AN AMAZG THG GOG BEE SHE’S A HUGE DISTRICT AND SHE HAS OPPORTUNI THAT ARE NOT THERE FOR OTHERS OF . I’M NOT THAT SMALL OF A DISTRICT—4,500 STUNTS—BUT SOME OF DON’T HAVE ALL THOSE ROURC THAT WE N TAP TO.WIGGS: I ALSO WANT TO WEIGH ON WHAT BETTA SAID BEE ’S TE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE TO AL WH ARE THE HIGHLY PROCSED FOODS. WE HAVE FIVE PONENTS ON THE TRAY [MEAT (OR MEAT ALTERNATIV), GRAS, VEGETABL, US, AND K]—EACH ONE THOSE PONENTS HAS A LOBBYG GROUP.IN MICHIGAN [WHICH I LEFT 2017], I DID NOT SERVE CHOLATE K. NOW, NOT EVEN THREE YEARS LATER, CHOLATE K IS BACK ON THE MENU. THE K PRODUCERS THAT STATE SAID SAL WENT DOWN 14 PERCENT BEE DETRO PUBLIC SCHOOLS DID NOT E CHOLATE K. SO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FLUENCE OF THE DTRY: ARE THEY TLY WORKG THE BT TERT OF OUR CHILDREN?I’M FDG THAT A LOT OF MY CLASS, THEY ARE TAKG OUT ALL OF THOSE ADDIV THAT WE FOUND SO PLORABLE. WHERE WE ED TO HAVE A CHICKEN PATTY, AND NOW WE HAVE A SALAD BAR. THAT’S AN OPTN FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT AS YOU GO UP THE GRA LEVELS, WE HAVE TO AL WH PETIVE FOODS BEG SOLD ELSEWHERE OUR SCHOOLS THAT DRAG OUR CTOMERS AWAY OM THAT HEALTHY MEAL WE HAVE THE FETERIA. BETTA ELIAS SIEGELSIEGEL: I PLETELY UNRSTAND WHAT YOU’RE SAYG ABOUT WHY SCHOOLS SERVE THOSE FOODS; ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I STARTED THE LUNCH TRAY—AND WAS VERY MUCH MOTIVATED BY JAN’S BOOK, FREE FOR ALL—WAS TO EXPLA TO PARENTS THE FORC THAT DRIVE THAT KD OF MEAL; THEY ARE TENSE, BIGGER THAN ANY DISTRICT, AND NOT THE “FLT” OF A PARTICULAR SCHOOL NUTRN DIRECTOR. I REALLY WANT TO ALWAYS GIVE NTEXT FOR WHY THAT KD OF MEAL MIGHT BE SERVED. AND AS BETTI MENTNED, THERE N BE PETIVE FOOD ON THE MP, THERE ARE SO MANY FORC PHG DISTRICTS THAT DIRECTN.THE NUTRNAL GUIL PASSED UNR THE OBAMA ADMISTRATN HAVE STARTED TO GET ROLLED BACK UNR THE TMP ADMISTRATN. DO YOU ANTICIPATE ROLLBACKS NTUG OR REVERSG THE G YEARS?WIGGS: WE’VE MA A MMENT HERE HOTON THAT WE’RE NOT ROLLG BACK ANYTHG AROUND THGS LIKE SODIUM OR FAT. BUT BEE OF WHERE I’M GEOGRAPHILLY LOTED, I HAVE GOT TO HAVE A WHE FLOUR BISCU; I HAVE GOT TO HAVE A FLOUR TORTILLA. WE TRIED A WHOLE GRA BISCU, AND JT DIDN’T WORK. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THGS WE’RE G USDA WAIVERS FOR, BUT WE’RE G BROWN RICE AND WHOLE GRAS AND SERVG WHOLE GRA BREADS. WE’RE NOT GOG BACKWARDS. THE MA THG I’VE BEEN TRYG TO DO HERE HOTON IS TAKE CHOLATE K OFF MY MENU, AND IS LIKE CLIMBG MOUNT EVERT BEE OF THE IMPACT OF THE DAIRY LOBBY.THE OTHER THG THAT I‘D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS LUNCH TIMG—WHEN PEOPLE START TALKG ABOUT PLATE WASTE AND THROWG AWAY FOOD. [MANY SCHOOLS DON’T ALLOW ENOUGH TIME FOR KIDS TO EAT A FULL MEAL] AND WHEN A KID ONLY HAS FIVE MUT TO EAT, THE FIRST THG HE GRABS IS CHOLATE K. THE NEXT THG HE GRABS IS THE SWEETT THG NEAR HIM, AND THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE H US AND VEGETABL. WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE TO NSIRATN HOW WE STCTURE OUR MEALS.POPPENDIECK: THE TIME KIDS HAVE FOR LUNCH IS A BIG TOPIC. WE HEAR ALL OVER THE UNTRY ABOUT CREDIBLY SHORT LUNCH HOURS, AND WE KNOW THAT ’S VASTATG TO NUTRN: THE KIDS GO FOR THE MOST FAIAR AND SWEETT THGS FIRST, AND THEY DON’T HAVE TIME TO GET TO THE VEGETABL. BUT THE CHALLENGE IS THAT SCHOOL PRCIPALS FACE IS IF YOU’VE GOT 4,000 KIDS SCHOOL, AND YOUR FETERIA SEATS 400, YOU NEED 10 LUNCH HOURS—SO YOU’RE GOG TO START EARLY AND MAKE THEM SHORT.WE NEED TO GET OVER THE IA THAT ALL THE SCHOOL MEALS HAVE TO BE NSUMED THE FETERIA. WE NEED TO BEG TO EXPERIMENT WH GRAB-AND-GO LUNCH THAT N BE NSUMED CLASSROOMS WHILE CLUBS MEET. SCHOOLS ARE NOW EXPERIMENTG WH “BREAKFAST AFTER THE BELL,” SO WE KNOW THAT ’S POSSIBLE TO NSUME FOOD CLASSROOMS WHOUT CREATG ENORMO HEALTH HAZARDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WE JT NEED MORE CREATIVE THKG.ANRSON: I DON’T LIKE THE WORD “ROLLBACKS”—I DON’T SEE AS A ROLLBACK. I LIKE THE WORD FLEXIBILY, BEE OUR SCHOOL MEALS ARE STILL HEALTHY MEALS. SPEAKG AS SNA PRINT, WE HAVE CHECKED WH OUR DISTRICTS, AND 96 PERCENT ARE SAYG THEY WILL EXCEED THE WHOLE-GRA L, SO THEY ARE NOT ROLLG BACK THGS.BUT SOME ARE STGGLG WH ISSU LIKE BETTI IS WH HER FLOUR TORTILLA. FOR ME, ’S A WHOLE-GRA EGG NOODLE MY HOMEMA CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP, WHICH [IF WE SERVED ] WOULD BREAK DOWN AND THERE’D BE NO NOODL. BUT THE OTHER PART WAS FOR PEOPLE GETTG WAIVERS [TO SERVE SOME FOODS THAT DON’T MEET THE NUTRN GUIL] SOME STAT, THEY’RE HAVG TO FILL OUT A 29-PAGE DOCUMENT, SO THEY DIDN’T EVEN BOTHER TRYG— WAS JT TOO MUCH WORK. I THK FLEXIBILY IS JT GIVG A LTLE B OF LEEWAY FOR CERTA FOODS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MET WH OVERWHELMG RISTANCE. BUT I’M NOT HEARG OF OPERATORS GOG BACK, SO I DON’T THK THIS FLEXIBILY IS HRG OUR PROGRS.WE’LL BRG THE NEWS TO YOU.GET THE WEEKLY CIVIL EATS NEWSLETTER, LIVERED TO YOUR BOX.SIGN UP TODAYSIGN UP TODAYSIEGEL: GAY, I’M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT 96 PERCENT OF OPERATORS SAY THEY WILL ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS, BUT WHEN THE STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED, YOU HAVE TAKEN THAT FLOOR AWAY. I HOPE THEY LIVE UP TO THOSE GOOD TENTNS, BUT THEY NO LONGER HAVE TO UNR THE L. AND I AM GOG TO LL THEM ROLLBACKS. WHAT THEY’VE DONE IS PUT SCHOOL NUTRN STANDARDS OUT OF ALIGNMENT WH THE SCIENCE-BASED DIETARY GUIL FOR AMERINS. THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE ALIGNED, AND NOW THEY NO LONGER ARE.THE PROCS BY WHICH THAT HAPPENED WAS QUE TROUBLG. NETY-SIX PERCENT OF THE PUBLIC MENTS ON THOSE PROPOSED ROLLBACKS WERE OPPOSED, AND NOHELS, THE USDA MOVED FORWARD WH THEM, CG THEIR PARTICULAR JTIFITNS: INCREASED WASTE AND STUNTS REJECTG FOOD, ALL OF WHICH WAS REFUTED BY THE USDA’S OWN STUDY, WHICH ME OUT SEVERAL MONTHS LATER—WHICH THE AGENCY MA NO EFFORT TO PUBLICIZE.I ABSOLUTELY UNRSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WH A PARTICULAR BISCU OR YOUR NOODL ARE JT DISTEGRATG YOUR SOUP. WE ALREADY HAD THE WAIVER PROCS PLACE SO THAT SCHOOLS ULD GET A MORE SUABLE PRODUCT. I’M SORRY WAS 29 PAG, BUT THAT STILL STRIK ME AS A FAR BETTER SOLUTN TO THAT PROBLEM THAN AN ACROSS-THE-BOARD NUTRNAL ROLLBACK THAT AFFECTS 30 LN CHILDREN EVERY SGLE DAY. WHY NOT JT FOC ON THOSE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS AND HELP THEM ON AN AD HOC BASIS?ANRSON: THERE WERE A NUMBER OF STAT THAT DIDN’T EVEN OFFER WAIVERS. I DON’T HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THAT, BUT SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS WEREN’T EVEN BEG OFFERED THAT OPTN. AND I DO HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYG WH THE LOW-SODIUM GUIL AND ALL, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE NEED A LTLE TIME SOME SUATNS TO TCH UP SO WE N GET TO THE NEXT TARGET LEVEL.SIEGEL: BUT THEY HAVE NOW BEEN LAYED BY SEVEN YEARS. AND I’M NOT YOUR SHO, GAY, BUT MANUFACTURERS HAVE KNOWN THE RCTNS WERE G SCE 2010. IT STRIK ME AS AN EXCSIVELY LONG LAY.ANRSON: EVEN SOME OF THOSE NATURALLY OCCURRG THGS, LIKE SODIUM OUR K, THAT IS WHAT HAMPERS ME OM GETTG TO THAT NEXT LEVEL; [ ORR TO MEET NUTRN GUIL] I MAY HAVE HAD TO TAKE OFF SOME OF MY NDIMENTS, AND I DON’T THK SERVG A SALAD WHOUT DRSG WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.WIGGS: WE HAVE THE ABILY TO PRODUCE SOME OF OUR OWN SALAD DRSG, WE’RE EVEN MAKG OUR OWN SEASONG PACKAG. BUT THE OTHER THG THAT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IS LORI. NO ONE’S FOCG ON HOW MUCH SUGAR WE’RE STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR FOOD. AND WE NSIR THAT A PROBLEM AS WELL. MY FEELG ABOUT THE SODIUM IS SOME OF THOSE LOW-SODIUM REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A 54-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO HAS HAD A TRIPLE BYPASS. WE DON’T FEED PEOPLE LIKE THAT EVERY DAY.I WANT THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM TO BE MORE SCRIPTIVE THAN PRCRIPTIVE. WE’VE GOT A LARGE ENOUGH BACKGROUND AND PLATFORM TO LAND ON. THE NEW FOOD SERVICE DIRECTORS G NOW, THEY DON’T SERVE SHEET K OR OTHER THGS LIKE THEY ED TO 20 YEARS AGO, BEFORE ELLEN HAAS [PRINT CLTON’S UNRSECRETARY FOR FOOD, NUTRN, AND CONSUMER SERVIC AT THE USDA] MA THAT FIRST BIG GIANT STEP TRYG TO MAKE A HEALTHY MEALS PROGRAM—I WAS AROUND THEN, AND TOOK ALMOST ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO GET TO THE HEALTHY AND HUNGER-FREE KID ACT.WHAT DO YOU SEE AS SOLUTNS TO IMPROVE SCHOOL MEALS? SIEGEL: I THK EVERY ONE OF ON THIS LL WOULD BE BEYOND THRILLED TO SEE UNIVERSAL [EE] SCHOOL MEALS. I KNOW THIS IS STILL A PIE--THE-SKY NOTN, BUT BEE OF THE CREASED PUBLIC TERT AND OUTRAGE OVER LUNCH SHAMG, I AM AT LEAST SEEG MUCH MORE PUBLIC DISCSN OF UNIVERSAL MEALS THAN I PERSONALLY HAVE OBSERVED A LONG TIME. TWO DEMOCRATIC PRINTIAL NDIDAT HAVE MENTNED AS PART OF THEIR MPAIGN PROMIS, AND I SAW THE SNA SPOKPERSON MENTN AN ARTICLE. IN OUR POLIL CLIMATE, I STILL THK ’S OUT OF REACH, BUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKG THE NNECTN BETWEEN LUNCH SHAMG AND UNIVERSAL MEALS, IS VERY ENURAGG TO ME.WIGGS: WELL, HOTON WE HAVE NO LUNCH SHAMG, BEE OF CEP. I SAW THE VASTATN THAT HURRINE HARVEY HAD—AND NOT JT ON POOR KIDS. THERE WAS NO FOOD AVAILABLE FOR WEEKS ON END BEE OF , SO HOTON ISD TOOK UPON SELF TO START OFFERG EE MEALS. AND I CHANGED THE LANGUAGE: I SAID THIS IS NOT A EE MEAL, THIS IS A MEAL AT NO CHARGE. WE NEED TO GET AWAY OM THAT “EE.”IN DETRO, I WROTE AN OP-ED THAT SAID THIS IS A VALUE PROPOSN FOR OUR UNTRY—EHER FOR NATNAL SECURY OR HEALTH—THAT WE FEED OUR CHILDREN WELL AND WE NEED TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS TEND FOR: THIS IS NOT JT A MA-FOR-POOR-KIDS PROGRAM. FEEDG ALL CHILDREN WELL IS THE BT TERT OF THIS UNTRY.POPPENDIECK: I ALSO THK THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, AND I THK OF SCHOOL FOOD AS AN SENTIAL, TEGRATED PART OF THE SCHOOL DAY. CHILDREN ARE UNR OUR RE AT SCHOOL, AND WHEN TIME FOR LUNCH, WE SHOULD FEED THEM, AND SHOULD BE TEGRATED WH TN BEE WE KNOW THAT WE ALSO NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT FOOD AND S HEALTH IMPACTS; HOW GETS TO ; AND WHO’S VOLVED PRODUCG .BUT THE THREE-TIER SYSTEM [OF FULL-PRICE, RCED-PRICE, AND EE SCHOOL LUNCH] IS ABSURD, AND THE MUNI THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT CEP ARE UNIFORM THEIR ENTHIASM FOR THE WAY ALLOWS THEM TO DO A BETTER JOB AND TO AVOID THGS LIKE LUNCH SHAMG AND TO KNOW THAT THE MEAL HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BRG PEOPLE TOGETHER. THIS SHOULD BE A POSIVE TIME THE SCHOOL DAY, NOT A TIME WHEN KIDS DISTANCE THEMSELV OM EACH OTHER ON THE BASIS OF SOCIAL CLASS.ANRSON: UNIVERSAL MEALS WOULD BE A DREAM E TE. IT WOULD BE AMAZG IF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS ULD SAY, Y STUNTS WILL HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO EAT EVERY DAY—BEE IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH TIME, THERE’S LS WASTE [AND] THEY’LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNY TO TRY SOME THGS ON THEIR TRAY.THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT UNIVERSAL MEALS WOULD HELP WH OVERALL FUNDG. SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT LOSE MONEY AND HAVE A FIC AT THE END OF THE YEAR—GUS WHERE THEIR DOLLARS E OM? IT RIGHT OUT OF THE TN FUND. SO, ’S A VIC CYCLE.MY FAVORE LE IS, “WE’RE FEEDG THE FUTURE, ONE SCHOOL MEAL AT A TIME.” I WANT TO ADD THAT CEP HAS HELPED SOME WAYS, BUT WE HAVE SEEN 2 LN FEWER STUNTS EATG SCHOOL LUNCH EVERY DAY. THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP SCE THE UPDATED NUTRN STANDARDS TOOK EFFECT, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT’S HAPPENG THERE AND HOW N WE GET THAT THOSE STUNTS BACK EATG WH . THAT’S PART OF WHY THE FLEXIBILY IS SO IMPORTANT FOR .WIGGS: IN HOTON, PARTICIPATN HAS GONE UP. ALL THE TIME WE SPENT GETTG LUNCH MONEY AND WRG LETTERS TO PARENTS [TO GET THEM TO PAY THEIR LUNCH BILLS], HAS DISAPPEARED. MY PARTICIPATN WENT UP 7 PERCENT, AND HOTON WAS ALREADY 86 PERCENT EE.SIEGEL: GAY, I ULDN’T TELL IF YOU WERE PNG THAT CLE PARTICIPATN TO CEP OR TO THE HEALTHY HUNGER-FREE KIDS ACT STANDARDS, BUT SCE YOU MENTNED FLEXIBILY, I DO FEEL PELLED TO POT OUT THAT THE USDA’S VERY PREHENSIVE STUDY ACTUALLY FOUND A POSIVE RRELATN BETWEEN SCHOOL LUNCH PARTICIPATN AND HIGHER NUTRN STANDARDS. IN OTHER WORDS, DISTRICTS THAT HAD A HIGHER STANDARD THEIR FOOD ACTUALLY SAW AN CREASE PARTICIPATN. I JT WANTED TO TRY TO DISPEL THIS OFTEN-REPEATED MYTH THAT KIDS REJECT HEALTHIER FOOD, BEE THE USDA’S OWN DATA REFUTE THAT.POPPENDIECK: IF YOU LOOK BACK, HISTORILLY, YOU’LL SEE THAT THERE’S GENERALLY A SHIFT WHEN THE ENOMY IS BETTER. FEWER PEOPLE MAKE E OF THE SCHOOL FOOD OPTNS.WIGGS: THE REASON I’VE STARTED TO SERVE MEALS SCHOOLS WHERE I NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE SERVED THEM IS THE QUALY OF FOOD THAT WE’VE BEEN PUTTG ON THE TRAYS. THE SALAD BARS, SOME OF THE OFFERGS THAT WE MA AROUND TASTE, THE PARENTS ARE STARTG TO SEE THAT THIS IS A REAL VALUE. WE’RE STARTG TO MARKET OUR SERVIC JT LIKE A LIMED-SERVICE RTRANT. MY PARENTS ARE SEEG THAT, AND THAT’S THE REASON THEY PARTICIPATE EVEN IF THEY DON’T HAVE TO [OM A FANCIAL PERSPECTIVE].ANRSON: BUT YOU’RE ABLE TO DO THAT, BETTI, BEE YOU’VE GOT THE ROURC. MANY OTHERS DON’T.WIGGS: LET’S PUT THAT NTEXT. YOU HAVE 4,500 KIDS, I HAVE 206,000. THOSE DOLLARS PROPORTNALLY SHAPE WHAT I CI TO VT MEALS. MY DISTRICT JT GAVE MY EMPLOYE A [PAY RAISE OM $10 OR $12 TO] $14 AN HOUR. I HAVE TO TELL THEM I’M NOT TAKG A SALARY CREASE OUT OF THE FOOD BUDGET FOR THE KIDS. I HAVE TO SCRAMBLE AROUND AND FD OUT HOW AM I GOG TO PAY THIS $14 AN HOUR, AND THAT PUTS ME A VERY DIFFICULT SUATN. I HAVE TO BE MTED TO QUALY FOOD, BEE MY MUNY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IF I DON’T HAVE QUALY FOOD.TODAY’S FOOD SYSTEM IS PLEX.INVT NONPROF JOURNALISM THAT TELLS THE WHOLE STORY.BEE A MEMBERBEE A MEMBERWHAT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE UNIVERSAL SCHOOL LUNCH HAPPEN? POPPENDIECK: THE FIRST QUTN IS: WHO PAYS? BEE SCHOOL MEALS HAVE BEEN A FERAL PROGRAM SCE 1946, MY PROPOSN IS THAT THIS SHOULD BE A FERAL MMENT; THE FERAL ERNMENT NTRIBUT LTLE ENOUGH TO THE ST OF TN THIS UNTRY. BASED ON SOME BACK OF THE ENVELOPE LCULATNS, I THK WOULD ST ABOUT $15 BILLN DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAKE [EE] LUNCH UNIVERSAL. THAT PRUM A FAIRLY HIGH RATE OF PARTICIPATN. AND I DON’T THK THAT’S A LOT OF MONEY [GIVEN] THE VALUE THAT WOULD NTRIBUTE TERMS OF THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN AND LAYG THE PATHWAY FOR HEALTHY ADULTS.WHAT WOULD TAKE TO GET THERE IS A CHANGE ATTU ABOUT WHAT MEANS TO SERVE MEALS A PUBLIC SETTG. THE WAY WE DO NOW, WHERE WE BASILLY SELL THE MEALS, BUT THEN SOME PEOPLE GET EE—’S REALLY AN ABSURD SETUP, BUT PEOPLE THK OF AS NORMAL. I AGREE WH BETTA THAT THE LUNCH-SHAMG ISSUE HAS RAISED NSCNS, AND LED PEOPLE TO ASK, “WHAT ARE WE DOG HERE? WHY IS THIS HAPPENG?”I THK ’S REALLY DOABLE. WE’VE BEEN FIGHTG FOR FOR 30 YEARS NEW YORK CY, AND WE FALLY GOT . AND WE’RE SEEG PARTICIPATN GROW, AND GROWS MOST RAPIDLY WHEN THE UNIVERSAL MEAL IS BED WH A RENOVATN OF THE FETERIA SPACE TO A NEW SORT OF FOOD URT SYSTEM THAT THE KIDS FD ATTRACTIVE. WE’VE SEEN PARTICIPATN RISE BY 33 PERCENT HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ALSO GOT THE NEW FOOD URT SYSTEM.ANRSON: I AGREE ’S GOG TO TAKE MONEY, BUT ’S VTG OUR FUTURE. I THK THE ERNMENT N MAKE A PRRY TO CUT SOME WASTE AND PUT THE MONEY WHERE NEEDS TO GO, SO THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE WELL-FED, SO THAT THEY’RE BETTER TED. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEARS WASHGTON, D.C. S DOWN AND REALLY PUT PENCIL TO PAPER AND CUT SOME NUMBERS.WIGGS: IT WILL TAKE THE SAME KD OF MMENT OM THIS ERNMENT THAT WHENEVER WE HAD A NATNAL CRISIS LIKE WE HAD WH AIDS AND MEASL AND POL, WE CID WHAT WE WERE GOG TO VT THE BT FUTUR OF OUR CHILDREN. YOU SAY LUNCH SHAMG N RAISE AWARENS, I SAY PIERC THE GUILT. AND I’M READY TO RI THAT GUILT ALL THE WAY TO A UNIVERSAL MEAL PROGRAM. SCHOOL MEALS ARE THE STRONGT WEB OUR SOCIAL SERVICE PROGRAM; THEY N IMPACT THE LIV OF ALL CHILDREN. YOU’RE EHER GOG TO PAY FOR NOW OR YOU’RE GONNA PAY FOR LATER.SIEGEL: EVER SCE I WROTE ABOUT LUNCH SHAMG FOR THE NEW YORK TIM 2017, ’S BEEN FASCATG TO WATCH THE NSTANT TWEETS, ABOUT CHARABLE EFFORTS AND AD HOC EFFORTS TO AMELRATE LUNCH BT. THERE’S A EP NCERN ABOUT , AND LOTS OF NEWS REPORTS, BUT ALL VERY DIFFE, DISPARATE EFFORTS ALL OVER THE UNTRY. AND I’VE OFTEN THOUGHT: HOW ULD WE CHANNEL THIS EMOTN TOWARD A TE EFFORT FOR UNIVERSAL SCHOOL MEALS?I THK WE WILL NEVER GET THERE UNLS THE SCHOOL NUTRN ASSOCIATN ADVOT FOR , UNTIL BE PART OF THE SNA’S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BEE [GAY’S] ANIZATN HAS TREMENDO CLOUT ON CAPOL HILL, AND SPEAKS FOR THE LUNCH PROGRAMS AROUND THE UNTRY. I DON’T KNOW HOW WE ULD DO WHOUT THAT KD OF REALLY NCERTED EFFORT, AND I THK YOUR ANIZATN ULD HELP PROVI THAT LEARSHIP. I’D BE CUR TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.ANRSON: I FULLY BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED TO BE SPEAKG OUT ON THAT. WE ALWAYS HAVE PAPERS AND PUBLIC MENTS WE MAKE. BUT THE PAST, WE’VE MAYBE NOT BEEN AS VOL AS YOU MAY THK WE SHOULD, ONLY BEE WE KEEP SAYG THAT THE ERNMENT DON’T HAVE MONEY. BUT MAYBE WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT ON. WE’VE GOT 58,000 VOIC THAT ULD SPEAK VERY LOUD AND CLEAR, BUT WE ALSO NEED SUPPORT OM OTHER ANIZATNS TO DO .WIGGS: I’M WORKG WH THE INTERNATNAL FOOD MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATN, WHICH JT STARTED A SCHOOL FOOD ADVISORY UNCIL. WE’RE TALKG TO THE LARGE MANUFACTURERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SCHOOL FOOD. THE ARE [ALSO] THE GUYS WHO N TALK TO THE CONGRSPEOPLE AND ALL THE OTHER FOLKS WHO N SAY, “LOOK, THIS IS THE BT TERTS OF OUR BS AS WELL.”WHAT DO YOU WISH THE AVERAGE PERSON UNRSTOOD ABOUT SCHOOL FOOD? AND WHAT GIV YOU HOPE ABOUT THE FUTURE? POPPENDIECK: I KNOW THIS IS VERY SELF-SERVG, BUT I WISH THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD READ MY BOOK, FREE FOR ALL, BEE I WROTE TO EXPLA THIS PLITED SYSTEM TO NCERNED PARENTS, PTA PRINTS, WHAT HAVE YOU. I WISH THE AVERAGE PERSON UNRSTOOD MORE ABOUT THE NSTRATS THAT SCHOOL FOOD SERVICE PROVIRS AND DIRECTORS FACE, AND ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HEALTHY MEALS THE GROWTH AND VELOPMENT OF CHILDREN.WHAT GIV ME HOPE ARE THE GRASSROOTS ACTNS THAT I N TO HERE AND THERE AROUND THE UNTRY. THE NATNAL FARM TO SCHOOL NETWORK KEEPS TRACK OF STATE LEGISLATN, AND THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OR SO, THEY’VE SEEN SOMETHG LIKE 400 DIFFERENT STATE BILLS PASSED THAT MAKE EASIER FOR SCHOOLS TO PURCHASE OM LOL FARMERS.WIGGS: I WISH THEY UNRSTOOD THAT SCHOOL LUNCH IS AN SENTIAL SERVICE—’S NOT JT ABOUT FEEDG KIDS. IT’S ABOUT ASSISTG PARENTS AND LIVERG RE FOR THEIR CHILDREN THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DAY.WHAT GIV ME HOPE IS THAT WE’RE HERE, AND WE NTUE TO RAISE THE AWARENS OF THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO SUPPORT —NOT ONLY SI TN, OUR STAKEHOLRS, BUT EVEN SOME OF THE PANI OUTSI THAT ARE PROVIDG SERVIC TO SHAREHOLRS. I JT KNOW WE’RE HERE TO STAY, AND I WANT PEOPLE TO UNRSTAND THAT WE ARE A NOT-FOR-PROF, LIMED-SERVICE RTRANT THAT IS HIGHLY REGULATED AND THAT SERV THE MOST PREC PEOPLE THIS SOCIETY: CHILDREN.ANRSON: IT WOULD BE NICE IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY UNRSTOOD A DAY THE LIFE OF A CHILD NUTRN EMPLOYEE. THEY WEAR MANY HATS—THEY’RE WORKG ON EVERYTHG OM PROCUREMENT TO NUTRN, WORKG WH SPECIAL DIETS, BEG PART OF THE TN PROCS.WHAT GIV ME HOPE IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. SOMETIM THERE’S THE NEGATIVY THAT OUT, BUT WHEN YOU’VE GOT SOMETHG AT THE CENTER OF A TOPIC AND YOU NTUE TO GO FORWARD WH AND KEEP STANDG FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE , THERE IS HOPE DOG THIS WORK AND KNOWG THAT WE ALL WANT TO STRIVE TO HAVE A SCHOOL MEAL BE A HIGHLIGHT OF THE DAY, THAT KIDS KNOW IS HEALTHY AND NUTR.SIEGEL: I THK I’M ECHOG EVERYONE HERE THAT I TOO VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE THE AVERAGE PARENT AND THE AVERAGE AMERIN TO HAVE A BETTER UNRSTANDG OF THE CHALLENG THAT SCHOOL NUTRN DIRECTORS FACE, MANY OF WHICH WE ULD TAKE OFF THEIR SHOULRS IF WE CHANGED THE PROGRAM. THAT UNRSTANDG IS SENTIAL.WHAT GIV ME HOPE? HONTLY THIS NVERSATN HAS GIVEN ME HOPE, THE FACT THAT WE’RE TALKG ABOUT UNIVERSAL MEALS, THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL NUTRN ASSOCIATN MIGHT GET BEHD A MORE OVERT EFFORT TOWARD THAT GOAL. AND THE FACT THAT [THE TOPICS ARE] THE NEWS DO GIVE ME HOPE AND IS SOMETHG I HAVEN’T SEEN BEFORE.THIS TERVIEW HAS BEEN EDED FOR LENGTH AND CLARY. SCE 2009, THE CIVIL EATS EDORIAL TEAM HAS PUBLISHED AWARD-WNG AND GROUNDBREAKG NEWS AND MENTARY ABOUT THE AMERIN FOOD SYSTEM, AND WORKED TO MAKE PLITED, UNRREPORTED STORI—ON CLIMATE CHANGE, THE ENVIRONMENT, SOCIAL JTICE, ANIMAL WELFARE, POLICY, HEALTH, NUTRN, AND THE FARM BILL— MORE ACCSIBLE TO A MASTREAM DIENCE. READ MORE >LIKE THE STORY? JO THE NVERSATN. SEE 3 MENTSBRIAN SEPTEMBER 11, 2019"NO" THIS ARTICLE IS TO BIAS ON THE "PROS"AND NOT ENOUGH TTH THAT MANY SCHOOLS SEE THE WONRFUL US AND VEGETABLE PROGRAM SET UP BY THE "PAST PRINTIAL ADMISTRATN" FD 'S WAY TO THE SWILL. TRYG TO FORCE FEED STUNTS OF DIFFERENT CULTUR AND FOOD BELIEFS "ONE WAY" IS "NO" WAKE UP! WE'RE HERE TO FEED THE STUNTS A GOOD BREAKFAST AND LUNCH RELATED TO THEY PARTICULAR AREA OF RINCE. PLEASE DON'T PLITE WHAT'S GREAT TO GT AND WHAT WILL BE GTED. PARENTS ARE RPONSIBLE FOR THEY'RE CHILD'S DIET. WE AT SNA AND GOVERNMENT AREN'T. WE NEED TO QU PLAYG GOD. IF PARENTS AND STUNTS AGREE THAT THEY NEED A HEALTHIER ALTERNATIVE, SO BE , THEY N PRODUCE A MEAL SUED FOR THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND TIME! BRIAN H IAO SCHOOL, SFSM III 31 YEARS SCHOOL FOOD SERVICE MANAGER - STATE OF HAWAII DOEDAVE KECK SEPTEMBER 12, 2019DON'T YOU ALL THK THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR TO SPEND 15 BILLN ON TEACHG AND HELPG PARENTS TO WORK SO THEY N HELP THEMSELV? I THK UNIVERSAL LUNCH IS A BAD THG FOR EVERYONE. PLEASE LETS TEACH KIDS TO FISH SO THEY N EAT THE RT OF THERE LIV. INSTEAD OF GIVE THEM A FISH (FREE LUNCH) TODAY AND THEY GET FOR EE, NO ONE LEARNS TO NTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY GETTG FOR EE. JT ANOTHER DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO LOOK AT. UNIVERSAL LUNCH IS THE EASY WAY OUT.READ MORE ABOUT10TH ANNIVERSARYFOOD POLICYNUTRNSCHOOL FOODRELATEDMORE OM10TH ANNIVERSARY LOOKG BACK ON A DE OF OUR FOOD REPORTG BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSDECEMBER 23, 2019 FOOD & RACE: 10 YEARS OF CREATG A MORE JT FOOD SYSTEM BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSDECEMBER 10, 2019 EXPLORG A DE OF BIG CHANG LOL FOOD BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSNOVEMBER 19, 2019 MEAT MATTERS: 10 YEARS OF CHANG ANIMAL AGRICULTURE BY THE CIVIL EATS EDORSOCTOBER 22, 2019FEATURED THE MANURE DIGTERS INRPORATE FOOD SCRAPS. DO THAT MAKE THEM BETTER?
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